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	<title>Comments on: Halloween, Christmas and Ritual</title>
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		<title>By: jimgetz</title>
		<link>http://jimgetz.org/2009/11/03/halloween-christmas-and-ritual/#comment-1716</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen much of the same contradictory evidence that you have. Going way back, to my own area of study, the Mesopotamian fall month of Abu was seen as a time when the barrier between our world and that of the dead thinned. Babylonian priests (often mistakenly translated as &quot;magicians&quot;) would use this time of year to trap spirits of dead witches who might be hurting the living. So there you have harvest, witches, magic and the dead.

However, from a ritual standpoint, I&#039;m not sure that any of it really matters. The etymology or origins of the rituals matter less than how they are being used. 

Think of it this way: the phrase &quot;good bye&quot; originated as a parting blessing &quot;God be with you.&quot; When some one says &quot;good bye&quot; at the end of a conversation today, we don&#039;t think that this is in someway an active blessing upon folks (if so, old AOL users should have be mightily blessed).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen much of the same contradictory evidence that you have. Going way back, to my own area of study, the Mesopotamian fall month of Abu was seen as a time when the barrier between our world and that of the dead thinned. Babylonian priests (often mistakenly translated as &#8220;magicians&#8221;) would use this time of year to trap spirits of dead witches who might be hurting the living. So there you have harvest, witches, magic and the dead.</p>
<p>However, from a ritual standpoint, I&#8217;m not sure that any of it really matters. The etymology or origins of the rituals matter less than how they are being used. </p>
<p>Think of it this way: the phrase &#8220;good bye&#8221; originated as a parting blessing &#8220;God be with you.&#8221; When some one says &#8220;good bye&#8221; at the end of a conversation today, we don&#8217;t think that this is in someway an active blessing upon folks (if so, old AOL users should have be mightily blessed).</p>
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		<title>By: coffeezombie</title>
		<link>http://jimgetz.org/2009/11/03/halloween-christmas-and-ritual/#comment-1715</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, okay, I could only read a couple paragraphs or so of that article.

So, I&#039;m curious if you have any idea what the deal with Halloween *is*. It seems like I&#039;ve come across various &quot;origin stories&quot; of Halloween, many of which indicate that it was a Pagan holiday (Samhain or whatever) in which the dead were believed to return to Earth and so on which was later Christianized by moving All Saint&#039;s Day to that date. Other things I&#039;ve come across say that it was the Christianization of the Pagan holiday, but said &quot;dead returning to Earth&quot; elements were not actually part of the Pagan holiday. Finally, I&#039;ve seen one or two things that say the Pagan holiday links are bogus, that it *began* with the Roman Church setting All Saint&#039;s Day on Nov 1 and things went from there.

So...while I know it&#039;s probably not exactly your area, I thought I might as well ask if you had any ideas here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, okay, I could only read a couple paragraphs or so of that article.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m curious if you have any idea what the deal with Halloween *is*. It seems like I&#8217;ve come across various &#8220;origin stories&#8221; of Halloween, many of which indicate that it was a Pagan holiday (Samhain or whatever) in which the dead were believed to return to Earth and so on which was later Christianized by moving All Saint&#8217;s Day to that date. Other things I&#8217;ve come across say that it was the Christianization of the Pagan holiday, but said &#8220;dead returning to Earth&#8221; elements were not actually part of the Pagan holiday. Finally, I&#8217;ve seen one or two things that say the Pagan holiday links are bogus, that it *began* with the Roman Church setting All Saint&#8217;s Day on Nov 1 and things went from there.</p>
<p>So&#8230;while I know it&#8217;s probably not exactly your area, I thought I might as well ask if you had any ideas here.</p>
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